Marybeth Sherrin

The Fundamental Aspects of Losing Weight vs Keeping Weight Off

So many of us have been there. We know we need to lose weight. We work hard to lose it, then just when we are happy with our weight, it seems to creep back on! Why do we struggle to keep the weight off?

In this episode, therapist, author and creator of the 'My Hungry Head' program, Marybeth Sherrin discusses with Clarity Junction host, Gillian, the fundamental aspects of losing weight versus keeping weight off.


Meet Marybeth

Marybeth is passionate about changing the narrative around how we learn and develop as individuals, communities, and organizations.

Marybeth Sherrin

For more than 20 years, she has studied, contributed to, and advocated for a shift in how we build and rebuild - the skills and mindset needed for healthy lives and successful careers. Her work has spanned multiple industries in the United States, Canada and abroad, managing organizational change to providing individual therapy.

Marybeth Sherrin Book Signing

As a writer, speaker and entrepreneur, she has built systems and programs to address underlying issues, and empower individuals struggling to find their way back to a healthy and productive life.

As a therapist, she has worked closely with patients who struggled with the demons that manifested in poor health habits and ultimately an unhealthy lifestyle.

My Hungry Head Marybet Sherrin

Today, she is focused on developing an unwavering, passionate team dedicated to scaling her flagship program, My Hungry Head, to deliver constructive and motivating tools to individuals across the country who are suffering from obesity and metabolic disease.

She is actively connecting to like-minded people, equally passionate about serving this community and who want to be part of delivering effective solutions.

Marybeth was trained and educated at University of Massachusetts and Harvard University. She is based in the Boston area where she lives with husband, a Canadian, environmental scientist, and she is now a Boston hockey lover.

How to Contact Marybeth

For more details of the My Hungry Head program mentioned in the interview, to find out how to get involved and to contact Marybeth, please visit:

Website: https://www.myhungryhead.com/

My Hungry Head Certification Program: ‚Äčhttps://www.myhungryhead.com/

My Hungry Head Book: https://amzn.to/3gLRQIm

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MyHungryHead/

Email: mb@myhungryhead.com or info@myhungryhead.com


Gillian Duncan 0:00
Hello and welcome to this podcast from Clarity Junction. Today, I am delighted to be joined by Marybeth Sherrin. As well as being an author, speaker and successful entrepreneur, Marybeth is a qualified therapist. For many years, Marybeth has been working closely with clients who struggle with poor health habits and ultimately live an unhealthy lifestyle. From this work, Marybeth has dedicated her knowledge and expertise integrating her flagship programme, 'My Hungry Head'. Today, on the Clarity Junction podcast, Marybeth will be discussing the ever-important topic of weight loss and sharing her knowledge and own personal journey. So, keep listening to discover more about the fundamental aspects of losing weight versus keeping weight off.

My name is Gillian Duncan, Positive Life and Wellbeing Coach, inspiring women to lead the life they want, and I'm delighted that you're here with me today.

Hi, Marybeth! Welcome to the Clarity Junction podcast.

Marybeth Sherrin 1:11
Hello Gillian. Thank you for having me.

Gillian Duncan 1:13
Thanks so much for taking the time today to come and chat with me. We have a great topic to discuss, and I'm excited to hear everything that you have to say. So today we are talking about the age old problem of losing weight. Now, most of us have been in the situation of gaining a few too many pounds, then needing to shed them, but it's one of the hardest things to do, and even harder to keep that weight off. So, before we delve deeper into this topic, Mary Beth, I would love for you to tell all the listeners a little bit more about yourself and why maintaining a healthy weight is important to you.

Marybeth Sherrin 1:59
Thank You so much for having me here today. You know, I stumbled across the weight loss and the weight management field. I trained as a therapist. I'm in the Boston area in the United States. And I was trained as a psychotherapist, and a friend of mine had called me and asked me if I would help her at a hospital programme that she was running and it was a bariatric programme that focused on helping people lose weight surgically and non surgically. So they had two different options for people. And I told her, 'Sure, I will come over and help you out for a couple days'. And that was in about 2003, and I never left. I've been in the field ever since, and it's really interesting. I come from a family that is, my mom is super skinny, like she's always been super fit, and my dad was morbidly obese, and I never understood why he was morbidly obese because I never saw him eat much. He barely would eat, and he'd have dinner with us, but it didn't seem like anything out of the ordinary. And I couldn't understand like, why my mom was skinny, and why my dad was heavy. And then when I started working in the field, I really looked back and thought, my goodness, there are so many pieces to maintaining a healthy weight. And I luckily, you know, I got the luck of the genes and I took after my mom. Initially, I was very, very skinny, but I could eat and eat and eat. And to be honest with you, I mean, if we, if technically, I was developing a binge eating problem. I, I could eat that much, but never gain weight. And I was very, very thin up until, you know, I had my children. And then I started to put on weight, you know, 40 pounds, 48 pounds, 52 pounds, and then I started dieting. And that's when it all went bad, when I started dieting. So, I thought we got to get this under control. And then I was working with a population of people who were struggling. So through, you know, my training, through research, through a lot of, of interviews with, I've seen over 8600 patients now, and I've learned so much about how to be healthy, and what that means, because that could mean different things to different people. So, yeah, that's sort of the background. And you know, I have my personal reasons, of course, I think when you, when a person takes a healthier approach to their diet, to their movement, and how they live their life, I think mentally they're happier. I think it brings some kind of happiness to them. Yeah.

Gillian Duncan 4:47
Yeah. So tell me in, in your opinion, what are the main reasons why people gain weight? I mean, is it just about eating too much and exercising too little?

Marybeth Sherrin 5:00
You know, years ago, we used to have this, this mantra, even in the medical field, we would say, calories in calories out. If you count your calories, and you, you know, you maintain a calorie deficit, then you would lose weight. But over the years, and you know, I've been able, I've been blessed just to see so many people, I think there's different reasons why people gain weight. You know, I've had groups of people who were just your slow and steady weight gainers. They had no mental health issues. Their lives were very fulfilled and they're happy, but yet their weight was somewhat out of control. You know, they've gained more than 100 pounds. But when I looked at their history, they gained maybe 5 pounds one year, maybe 12 another year, maybe 6. That's not a lot of weight to gain, if you think about it. A lot of us put on 6 pounds, 10 pounds. But if you accumulate that over 20-25 years, it's not difficult to get an extra 100 pounds on, right? So, we have the 'Slow and Steady Gainers'. Then the second group that we have, or that I've seen, are the 'Yo-Yo Dieters'. I think that's probably one of the most destructive, insidious ways of gaining weight. We don't realise that every time we go on a diet, we're actually chipping away at the effectiveness of our metabolism. Every time you lose weight, you lose some fat, you lose some water and you lose some muscle mass. Every time we lose a little bit of that muscle mass, we change our metabolism. And then, when we go back to eating the way we were, even if it's not any more - even, it might even be slightly less, we tend to regain those pounds. So the 'Yo-Yo Dieters were a big group and then the third group were your classic 'Binge Eaters', who really have a tough time controlling, or having a sense of control, over their food or they might have, what some people call it, food, food addiction to, you know, the salt, sugar sweet-type foods and fatty foods. Yeah.

Gillian Duncan 7:01
Yeah, I think the last one is me. I think I'm definitely a 'Binge Eating' type. I have such a weakness for chocolate. And it's crazy because I'm lactose intolerant. You can imagine how devastated I was when I found that out. All of a sudden, so many chocolate bars weren't available to me. But, you know, I find that there's a great brand of dark chocolate that I can eat quite happily! It's learning to stop, it's...I want to not gain the weight but then that chocolate just keeps calling me. So, why do you think that people who know that they need to or want to lose weight, they just can't seem to manage it. What would you suggest is the key motivator to start losing weight?

Marybeth Sherrin 7:44
Right. Well, I think people's motivating factors are different. Probably as individual as we are individuals. You know, working as a hospital based clinician, I've often see people come in usually when they hit that point, you know, the mid-life part - their kids are grown up and they're starting to see they can't do things that they used to do. So they might be, you know, Type II diabetes setting in. Their doctor said that they have high blood pressure, high cholesterol. Some people have sleep disorders that affect the way they gain weight. So there's some medical based reasons. But then, others are just, you know, society is not friendly towards people who are overweight or struggle with obesity there. It's not a friendly world. There's very few countries around that really, you know, celebrate heaviness. Then, you know, the countries that we live in, in the United States, in the UK and Australia where I used to live, you know, there's so many societal messages telling us that we need to be a certain size. So, I think, unfortunately, that motivates a lot of people to want to lose weight and lose weight quickly, which is a big problem. You know, very seldom do I hear someone knock on my door and say, 'I want to just be healthy'. They kind of say that but there's a lot more behind that. There's a lot of reasons why they want to get started on losing weight.

Gillian Duncan 9:16
So really, we want to change our mindset and think, 'We want to lose weight to become healthy, rather than through those other social triggers'. Do you think that's a deeper motivator?

Marybeth Sherrin 9:28
Yeah. If we can get to that place with, with ourselves, with, with our patients, with our clients, where we find that deeper motivation, usually once people start losing weight a little bit, they do get motivated. I do see that. So, the 'losing weight' part is almost not as difficult as the 'keeping weight off'. That's where our work really started to develop, where most of our patients could lose weight. Like, think about it, most of us, if we stop eating the extra chocolate, or the double servings or, you know, we go to the gym or do a little bit of exercise, most of us can drop a little bit of weight. And that can be motivating but make the lifestyle changes, or the changes that we have to make in our personal lives, to keep weight off is a whole other story. It's a completely different story.

Gillian Duncan 10:18
So, what I find amongst myself, my friends, is that people will start well, as you just said, to get that weight off. They'll make the small adjustments. They'll change some of their habits, and they'll be doing really well and then something will come up in their lives. And we were talking about that just before we were recording, weren't we? We were talking about things that come up in life that throw us off track, and then all of a sudden our routines go out the window or our focus goes elsewhere, and we have to be, you know, looking after somebody else or something else, and all that energy goes in a different direction. And so, we tend to lose focus that we are losing the weight. We give up. And we can give up quite easily. I was just wondering, what would you be able to suggest that people do to try and get back on track and keep going, keep that focus going, so that they can keep losing weight?

Marybeth Sherrin 11:14
Right, right. There's techniques, of course, and then there's mindset. So there's certain steps that we can take. And then there's certain mindsets that we need to do. So, the programme that I work with, when I'm working with people, is working both that two prong approach; the steps, the techniques and the mindset. So, the mindset piece is really tough. The mindset piece is, this is not a diet like we can't keep trying diets. We've, I think we're finally, particularly with the keto revolution, I think we've hit every possible macro nutrient that we can manipulate individually, you know? We did low fat, we did high, you know, low carb. Now we're on to, you know, we do protein diets. So, I think to look at the fact that this is hard. It's not something that we're taught how to do as young children, like, you know, we might have a few sprinklings of people who really, as a family, focus on health and fitness and diet, but very, very, very few do that. So, from a technique perspective, you know, most patients that I've worked with, and most clients, they will track their food. And they'll give it to a dietitian or a nutritionist, as if the nutritionist or dietitian is the teacher, you know, 'I'm going to be, I'm going to be really good this week. I'm going to journal for my dietician, and they're going to be so proud of me', and that, I think is the wrong approach. Journaling, keeping a record, even just for a couple days, is more like data collection just to see where the problems are. So, I think we have to change our thought process and look at ourselves more as investigators, you know, looking at 'What am I eating? What am I doing? What is my life like? What can I realistically do? 'Like, what can I realistically accomplish and what am I realistically willing to give up in order to do this?' Because most diets, like, and I've done them a million times, you know. I start out like, like just wildly out of the gate and, 'I'm going to cook everything and prepare everything', and that last almost always four to five weeks. Right? And then I'm just like, I just, and all my focus is on that, like, it's like a full time job. And, but that's not my job. So, how can I change things? Or, how can I give something up in my life? And as we were talking earlier, like you just can't do everything and be everything. So, something has to give. And some of the work is doing that investigative work within ourselves and getting a lot - I'd already told you, I love the name of your, your organisation, Clarity Junction - you know, getting clarity on, you know, 'What are my goals? Are they realistic and are they in line with what I'm willing to do to achieve those goals?, and if not, then we can set you know, we can reset them in a way that, that you know, the goals and the energy you want to put into, it in order to achieve something realistic that you could stick with. And that's a process. That, that takes a little bit of time and effort to get there. That's not just a 12 week cleanse diet, that, that's not what happens.

Gillian Duncan 14:22
No, we're talking long term.

Marybeth Sherrin 14:24

Gillian Duncan 14:24
Long term stability, and progress and results.

Marybeth Sherrin 14:29

Gillian Duncan 14:29
Yeah. So we don't keep putting the weight on every year, like you were talking about. That we actually maintain that lifestyle and that healthy side of our lives.

Marybeth Sherrin 14:39

Gillian Duncan 14:40
So, Marybeth, if it's not just diet that we need, what are the other elements that need to be in play?

Marybeth Sherrin 14:47
Yeah, well, in terms of the elements, you know, it really takes a village in order to keep a society healthy and strong, and individuals need that village. There's very few people who can do this all on their own, and they just go to a six week programme and then 'Boom!', off they go. You know, there are those people, but they're few and far between. Most people and the groups that I've worked with, they will tell you that there's, there's different elements. There's a coaching element, there's, there's a structure, you know, they want a little bit of structure, but they want to be able to try things on their own. So, to create a structure where people have simple, yet powerful steps and techniques that they can use, but yet not be told in a restrictive way, what they have to eat and what they can eat. Most people who struggle with weight, they are the nicest people on the outside, but the most stubborn on the inside. They are eventually going to do whatever they want to do. And for a programme, and we learned this with 'My Hungry Head' programme, we have to take that into account. We have to treat people as adults. They're not students. They're not someone who's going to follow our plan, you know, daily for the rest of their lives. So it's, it's very much a mutual sort of investigative journey, that we have to create and a community around that. Like, no one really wants to hike mountains alone, it's always much more fun when you're in a group. You have some people, of course, you want to do the hiking alone, but most patients want some level of support, mainly because they don't want to feel alone and they want to be around people who they know, struggle with similar things that, you know, struggle with the fact that they're not perfect. It's, there's something so wonderful and connecting, that allows you to connect to others when someone just shows you their, a little bit of their vulnerabilities or that they're not perfect. So you're not beating yourself up thinking, 'Why can't I do this?'. Like, I think the most difficult thing is when, you know, obviously, you're very smart. I'm smart, you know, most of everybody I work with, they're all quite smart, and it's like, if we're so smart, why can't we do this?

Gillian Duncan 17:03
I know.

Marybeth Sherrin 17:04
Why do we feel like such a, you know, a failure around this? So, we really work to build the community around, you know, yes, 'What's healthy eating? What makes sense for your body, your individual body in your individual life?' Because your life might be different than my life. And then, 'What what do we need? Like, what are those levers that we can move and manipulate so that it makes sense for us individually? You know, because society is going to push us in certain ways. The food industry is a monster. It's a monster of size, and, you know, if we don't understand how our bodies and our minds work inside and out, then it's going to be really difficult to manage the, the sea of, like, stuff that's coming at us from the food industries, from the advertisement industries, you know. We have half our society is telling us to eat salty, sugary, fatty foods, while the other part of our society is telling us we need to be really thin and beautiful.

Gillian Duncan 18:05

Marybeth Sherrin 18:06
That's, eh, that's like being out in an ocean with waves coming at you from two angles. And you're in a sailboat.

Gillian Duncan 18:13
I mean, recently in this country, there's been a little bit of an outcry with certain advertisements being on the TV, at certain points of the day and at certain times when there's family programmes been on. And there's been a lot of comments made about, you know, the big fast foods places, and they've been placing their adverts right at those popular times when families are watching. And they're advertising all these, you know, high fat, high salt, high sugar, processed foods, and yet, as you say, our society's then turning around and saying, 'Oh, no, you should just be seeing carrot sticks and drinking water!'. It's, there's a complete, there's a complete imbalance and that it's no wonder why we get so confused about what we should and shouldn't be doing and and who to turn to. As you say, you need a community. You need people to support you and, and on one of the hardest journeys that you take personally, and not only to support you, but to help you be accountable for what you're doing. To back you up and say, 'Well actually, are you not, are you not doing this? Are you, are you coming, you're coming along on this journey with this? Are you, are you being part of this? Are you stepping back? We don't want you to step back. So come on, join us keep going'.

Marybeth Sherrin 19:25
Right. Absolutely. Boy, you hit, you really hit some big things there. The confusion that people feel. A few weeks ago I was at a clinic and a patient came in and she was in tears. She's a super bright woman, very together and she was in tears. She said, 'I don't even know what to do. Am I supposed to be eating high fat? Am I supposed to be doing intermittent fasting? You know, am I supposed to be, you know, watching my carbs? Like, I don't even know what to do', and she just was at her, at her wits end. And there's so much information out there. So I think, you know, to be able to get sound information and be able to filter that information through something that makes sense for you individually. You know, medically, psychologically, behaviorally, you know, so that there's a real piece of, you know, what makes sense for me and my body, and then, do all these other things that I keep hearing about makes sense for me? And that's a lot of work for someone who might be trained in accounting, or, you know, they're general managers of a construction company or something, or a banker, you know, they spend their time learning their craft, and this is really a craft. This is a lot of work to really understand what's right and sift through all the research and make sense of it. And that's, I guess, that's once my girlfriend asked me to help with this, I thought, 'I don't even think that this is my job anymore'.It almost became like a calling to try to help figure it out.

Gillian Duncan 20:55
Yeah. You have to sort of start from different levels with different people.

Marybeth Sherrin 20:59

Gillian Duncan 21:00
We all get thrown this information about healthy fats and non healthy fats and healthy sugars and not so healthy sugars, and you think, Well, what's what?', because a lot of the labelling on packaging in the UK here, we've got labels and we have the red and the amber and the green for you know, you know, obviously, fats or sugars and salts that are too high, or they're in the middle, or yep, green, good to go. So, I talk to people about certain things about nutrition and quite often with my group, and I discuss healthy fats and non healthy fats. So I'll say, 'Well, here's some nuts', and I'll show them a packet of nuts and there'll be a red, you know, label on it. And they'll be saying, 'Well, that's not healthy. That's high fat, that's got high fat in it'. But then, it's a different type of fat from the fat that you'll have in your bar of chocolate, you know. The same labels but they have different qualities.

Marybeth Sherrin 21:27

Gillian Duncan 21:29
So, you're right. How do people who haven't got a background, like myself, in biomedical sciences and haven't done any diplomas in nutrition or anything like that, how do, how do they figure out the rights, the wrongs, the, the what's the, you know, whatever? How do they actually do that without that supportive community?

Marybeth Sherrin 22:19
Yeah, I think a lot of people are lost out there. And that was one of our missions, was to be able to connect people with information that makes sense. We could easily start up a diet weight loss clinic, you know, they start up all the time. And a lot of them are very, you know, successful, financially. But their, their results are not good long term results. They're set up so that people keep coming back because they fail. And that's really a, I guess, from a society standpoint, it's really not the business model that I would want to subscribe to. So it's really, you know, depends on...I think it depends on people like yourself, like what you're doing now, helping to connect with other professionals that are out in the community that study this work. The Obesity Medicine society's amazing. They're doing great research. There's a lot of really good information out there, but sometimes it sticks in the hands of, you know, in the hospitals or the clinic, or wherever they are, the universities, and it's hard to get it all out there. And I shouldn't say, it's hard to get it out there. It's easy to get anything out there. It's hard to help the lay person make sense of it, for them. And I think that's what we are, you know, our next focus, I think, 2020 hopefully, will start to bring more people who can help others work through the sea of stuff that's out there and help them develop their own information filter that makes sense for their body. I think, I think we're finally starting to head towards an individualised approach, thank goodness.

Gillian Duncan 23:57
Oh that's so exciting.

Marybeth Sherrin 23:59
I know. I know. I'm very excited about it. But it's a tonne of work. If we don't. We need people. We need an army. Like, we need an army of people. It's, it's huge. There's, it's, I've never seen obesity at the rates that they are now. It's crazy.

Gillian Duncan 24:15
But you're doing something about it and that's just fantastic. That's just amazing. You should be so proud of yourself for getting this message out there.

Marybeth Sherrin 24:23
There's a lot of people behind me and around me that I have to credit. There's a lot of smart people and dedicated people that we just keep working towards trying to find the truth within this and help people understand what makes sense for them. It's, it's beautiful work when it works. It's really lovely. So it's easy to do it.

Gillian Duncan 24:39
Marybeth, you must move on just now and tell us more about your own project. Your 'My Hungry Head' project because I think it's a bit more than just weight loss programme. So, if you can share some information about it, I'd be delighted.

Marybeth Sherrin 24:57
Absolutely. You know, 'My Hungry Head' started, interestingly, around 2003, and it was called 'The Foundations of Healthy Lifestyle', and no one showed up for the classes. It's very funny. No one showed up for them. And I'm thinking, 'Wow, you know, I don't understand this'. So, over time the few people who actually did show up, as we started working on the mindset piece, and the behavioural and the psychological and the emotional pieces, someone said, you know, this isn't really about what, like my stomach hunger, it's about my head hunger. You know, a lot of my patients have had bariatric surgery, and they don't often feel hungry initially, and they're like, 'But my head still feels hungry'. So, somewhere around 2005, we started calling it 'My Hungry Head'. It just went from there. It grew and grew and grew. And we have it in different clinics in the Boston area and hospitals here. And now we have worked out that people want accessible information. They want communities near their homes. They're busy. One of the things that they said is that, the people who go to 'My Hungry Head', that they love the community, but they can't always, you know, drive into the city to get there and pay for the parking and all that kind of stuff. So, and then there was just mostly me teaching it. So, we wrote the book a few years ago, 'My Hungry Head' and that, we're coming out with our second edition next year.

Gillian Duncan 26:25
Oh that's fantastic.

Marybeth Sherrin 26:26
Yeah, yeah. And somewhere along the line, I worked out that, we did some research, and we're like, 'This works. This actually works long term. It works'. We have some initial data that we presented in Montreal a few years ago, and had a, one of the major conferences, obesity conferences, and we worked out, 'Well if this works, how do we, how do we get it to people?'. So that's where we are now for 2020. So the focus of 'My Hungry Head' is really looking at really dedicated, finding dedicated, passionate clinicians. health coaches, people who really want to help others. Educators who want to bring 'My Hungry Head' into the communities. So we have the background and we have the, the clinical backgrounds and the educational pieces around obesity and obesity medicine that we can help train others to bring this out into the communities and give that support, the education, the mindsets, the mastery steps and the, the really interesting word that you said earlier, that accountability piece that almost like a loving accountability, though, so it's not like a, you know, checking on people, but it's a place where people can go and they can check in and see how they're doing. It gives them that sense of community, camaraderie and accountability at the same time. So that's where we're going. I'm super excited.

Gillian Duncan 27:50
So, tell me more about the certification programme that you have an offer just now.

Marybeth Sherrin 27:55
Yeah. Right now, we are certifying instructors. We've certified a number them in the Boston area, and we are ready to certify them in key areas throughout the United States and overseas. I've been a permanent resident of Australia. So I'm really partial to overseas and my husband's Canadian. So, we're really always happy to hang out with our Canadian friends and I'm growing a lot of friends from the UK.

Gillian Duncan 28:21
You are indeed!

Marybeth Sherrin 28:21
So, we're really looking for... We now have the technology. Like, earlier in the history of 'My Hungry Head', we didn't have the technology where we could really expand the communities in a way that you know, was safe and strong and healthy for everybody. So now we do. We can work overseas. Look at you and I.

Gillian Duncan 28:22

Marybeth Sherrin 28:23
You are in the UK and I'm sitting here in Boston and we're able to make great connections. So the certification programme, right now, is a two day initial programme, where you learn the, the steps, the mindsets and the thinking and ways of facilitating a programme like this. And then you have ongoing support to build your community with monthly meetings and check ins with myself and other experts in the obesity medicine and weight loss communities.

Gillian Duncan 29:13
So, it's very in depth training then.

Marybeth Sherrin 29:15
It is. I like to think of it as you know, we really help people translate science. You know, there's a lot of science behind this, and to be able to help people translate a lot of this information in a way that makes sense for them is, it's a skill and it's an art. And to help others who have the passion to do that, help other people, we can only do really great things.

Gillian Duncan 29:39
That's just brilliant.

Marybeth Sherrin 29:40

Gillian Duncan 29:41
Absolutely. So excited for you. I can't believe that you are taking it from one group in Boston and expanding it all over the world. It's just epic.

Marybeth Sherrin 29:52
It is. It's just. I've had some. I just have had a wonderful, wonderful group of people, giving us great feedback. And it's so funny, it's so easy just to not do it. It would be so easy to just sort of slip into the sunset, but the rewards are amazing. And you know, like I said, I just finished one of our annual retreats this weekend and the rewards that you get from organising these communities and helping to bring this information, I can't even tell you how many just emotional rewards, it's just really enhances your soul. It keeps me, it keeps me on track. I have to practice what I preach. So and listen, I'm not perfect either. I fall off the waggon and on the waggon, and all over the waggon. So it's, um, it's just I feel like it's a win win for everybody.

Gillian Duncan 30:43
Yeah, and I think that makes it even better. The fact that you stand there and say, 'Actually, I do exactly the same. I have the same, you know, challenges in life. I'm exactly the same as everybody else. And, you know, I'm, I'm here and I'm working through it too. And I'm here to support you'. That's just, that's just what we need. We need more people like that to be on the level of everybody and not be, you know, on a pedestal or think that they're on a pedestal, talking down to people and making them feel guilty or, you know, they've got some baggage attached them or something like that, you know. They're actually standing there, at their side and saying, 'You know. Here. We're the same. And we're here to help'.

Marybeth Sherrin 31:22
We're the same, and we're in it together.

Gillian Duncan 31:23
Absolutely. So Marybeth, how can people contact you? What's the best place for them to find you? Is it Facebook or is it through...?

Marybeth Sherrin 31:32
There's, we're on Facebook with 'My Hungry Head', is a great way and a very quick way to find us. So you can just go on to 'My Hungry Head', Facebook page. If anybody wants to connect with me directly, they can just email me at mb@myhungryhead.com or info@myhungryhead.com. You can get me anyway you want.

Gillian Duncan 31:52
Brilliant. I will put those links on the website for this podcast so that people can easily get in contact with you, find out a little bit more and there'll also be a link there to go through and check out 'My Hungry Head'. Find out more about that and also find out more about the certification programme as well. We're really encouraging everybody to go and have a look at that and see if they would be a fitting person to take on that training and spread the word. I think I would just be amazing if we could find people to join your team. We want people from all over the world.

Marybeth Sherrin 32:22
All over the world.

Gillian Duncan 32:23
That's it.

Marybeth Sherrin 32:24
All over the world. We do not need to diet anymore. We do not need to do it. No, that's old drawing. We do not need to do it.

Gillian Duncan 32:32
Absolutely. Oh, Marybeth, I've really thoroughly enjoyed talking to you today.

Marybeth Sherrin 32:37
Thank you, and thank you for the work you're doing. Thank you so much.

Gillian Duncan 32:41
And I hope that we get the chance again to have another chat. I'd love to hear how your developments going with 'My Hungry Head'.

Marybeth Sherrin 32:48
Thank you.

Gillian Duncan 32:50
That's all for this episode. My sincerest thanks to Marybeth Sherrin for chatting so openly and sharing so much with us today. To find out how to connect with Marybeth, visit clarityjunction.com/weight. Here you will find links to Marybeth's website, Facebook page and email address

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